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Gunrights
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Intergalactic Multi Phase Dementsion

06/23/2006 1:56 PM  

A Call to Action!

Propaganda II

            In today’s HJ (6/23/06) on page one is an article titled “Humans to blame for hottest Earth in millennia.” Just as you never read about any thing positive occurring in Iraq the media will never give a balance picture over the issue of global warming. First it is important to know that the one thing certain about climates is that they are always changing. Today’s report about a congressional study (produced by the National Academy of Sciences) about climate change is that it exaggerates half of the story and ignores the other half. For years proponents of anthropomorphic warming have relied on the so called hockey stick model created by Michael Mann with secret data which he refused to allow anyone else to review. Yesterdays report actually discounted this model and gave good reasons why. Also it is important to note that all of the worst case scenarios regarding global warming are based upon computer models. These models have never proven to be accurate and cannot predict near term weather phenomenon let alone long term scenarios. Another thing often ignored is both the ninth century warming period and also the little ice age which occurred some 300 years ago. If you read the AP article please notice that they started at 400 years and compared temperatures to today’s (the actual NAS study viewed climate history for 2000 years). So they started from an unusually cold period when crops died and many starved to the warming trend we see today. No mention of increased sun radiation (which is the most likely culprit) or that the world’s actual temperatures have been decreasing since 1998. In this same report the scientist’s state that there are “substantial uncertainties” regarding Mann’s claims that the last few decades of the twentieth century warmest in 1000 years. This is exactly what the AP article claims. You have to wonder if they read the same report that was presented to Congress. The report further chastises Mann by declaring “Even less confidence can be placed in the original conclusions by Mann et al. (1999) that the 1990’s are likely the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year, in at least a millennium…”

            Also they mentioned the increased warming of the North Atlantic which they attribute to increased hurricane activity. If global warming were true why would this warming occur only in the North Atlantic? Logically ocean warming should be increasing all over the world. Numerous experts on hurricanes have repeatedly stated the hurricanes follow a periodic pattern. The pattern we are currently seeing is similar to that which occurred in the 1930’s. Also note that current temperatures in the Arctic and drought in the SW are following a very similar pattern which occurred during the 30’s (ala the dust bowl). Climatology is a very difficult and extremely complex science of which we are just beginning to learn.  I would be far more willing to believe these so called scientists (who are dependent on government grant money to survive) if they hadn’t been predicting a new ice age during the mid 70’s. This report represents a 1degree Fahrenheit change in temperatures for the entire twentieth century. They fail to mention that there is no evidence what so ever that the world’s oceans have risen even one centimeter or that the Antarctic has actually cooled during the 5-10 years.

            One sided reporting is far more indicative of an activist agenda than objective reporting. But of course liberal bias of the media is just a red herring put out by talk radio at least according to most liberals.

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06/26/2006 12:38 AM  
Al Gore has the answers! Just look at his new movie! What a joke.

We should get some table salt and a shaker and do our part to put some salt in the North Atlantic

Its all so one sided. They cover the UN and EU every time they come out with their BS on Global warming yet they won't listen to those with PH'D's who say its not true.
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06/28/2006 11:46 PM  
im hoping not to come off as a know it all college student, but i took a class on climate change. it is proven through ice core data and other sources like pack rat middens that right now is a 'warm' period. granted, at a few other points in time it was this hot, but the recent warming has occured much more quickly than any other warming that there is data for. in the class we read multiple published journal articles. it was a very different class for me.

we also learned about ocean circulation patterns. the atlantic ocean is a much smaller ocean than the pacific. the fresh water rivers that empty into the atlantic and the salinity in colder regions affect the circulation pattern much more drastically than most other oceans. just because you dont want to believe that humans are impacting the environment as much as scientist say, doesnt mean we arent.
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06/29/2006 4:45 PM  
You can't prove anything with science. All you can do is try to model observed results through hypothesis and testing. Since many things like evolution and global warming can't really be tested they fall more into philosophy.
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06/29/2006 11:08 PM  
apparently since you dont believe in any part of science then you can dismiss gravity while youre at it. if you really are that closed minded about it, im done with this forum. i will not argue what i see as fact with someone who will not even consider it. i was rasied lds and i beleive in creationism. however, i see truth in what darwin observed with the finches on the islands. there can be both.
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06/30/2006 1:01 AM  
We seem to have hit a nerve here… I agree with both sides. I agree with real science and believe in it. I also hate junk science! Many Liberals use Junk science to get their wacko, anti USA ideas passed. That's where I have the big problem!
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06/30/2006 5:27 AM  
Let me explain myself better. I never said that I didn't believe and live by these theories, I am just saying we haven't proven anything. Think of how the scientific method works. The result is not a law but a theory. They only things that can be 'proven' are self defined things such as mathematics. You can say 1 + 1 = 2 because you define 1, 2, +, and =.

If I observe that coconuts fall to the ground when a bird hits the tree then I can come up with a theory that this is the reason coconuts fall. I can set up tests to observe then next 10000 coconuts fall because of birds in a variety of conditions. I have observed trees which have no birds around them and the coconuts do not fall. What have I proven? Absolutely nothing. Do birds cause the coconuts fall? From my observed results I can say probably but this is not necessarily true. Should I protect my coconuts from birds if I do not want them falling? This would be a good idea. Could they still fall despite being protected? Of course, there maybe something I overlooked.
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06/30/2006 2:31 PM  
I am sure that it was conveniently ignored by your professors that similar or even hotter temperatures were experienced by this planet during the 1930's. Remember hearing about the dust bowl. This subject is very complicated but let me start by saying that climates are always changing. In your class were you exposed to any counter arguments? I do not have the time or inclination to counter the rather flimsy arguments right now but if you are truly sincere I will be happy to refer you to a large body of evidence which refutes the points made. Your last statement is a circular argument. I am very aware of the Atlantic circulation patterns (conveyer belt) which have been raised. What you clearly are not aware of is that this is just a theory. That is that if the salinity of these waters is diluted this could slow the conveyor belt effect. There is a very large body of argument and evidence by thousands of scientists (most importantly climatologists) which strongly disagree with the conclusions made. There is an inherent bias built into the system. Critics of global warming are dismissed as stooges of energy companies or some such thing. There is a much greater bias towards funding for research if you are declaring an emergency or some great hazard or crisis. The list of looming catastrophes is long and storied. I have a couple of really informative books available if you are interested.
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